#1 Oct. 15, 2014 17:01:00

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We are considering switching electricity supplier. In the quotes we have I see that SSE are charging £175 to handle FItT payments. Are other suppliers now charging as our present one does not.





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#2 Oct. 15, 2014 23:54:00

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We are using Good Energy for our FIT payments. They do not charge for the service. We were an early customer of theirs and we are not charged. It is just possible that they do charge for new customers, but from our perspective it seems that they do not charge. Good Energy are highly recommended.





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#3 Oct. 18, 2014 17:27:00

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We use Ecotricty and do not get charged for FIT payments. I checked with one of our neighbours who also use Ecotricty, they do not get charged either. In fact when asking around the village nobody gets charged for FITs. As a double check we compared payments recieved with the published rates to ensure we were not getting “net payments ”.





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#4 Oct. 19, 2014 11:20:00

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Where online is this SSE quote? I can't believe that FiT administration charging is allowed!







Economy 10 tariff provides 6.9p/kWh off-peak import between 12am-5am, 1pm-4pm and 8pm-10pm; http://www.pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=21047&sid=18934&v=2&t=m on approx. 63% off-peak usage, 22% solar usage, and 15% peak-rate usage.
1,900kWh annually is exported, mostly in summer, on approx. 3,200kWh generation. Approx. 4,500kWh/year is imported, mostly for (a) winter and springtime off-peak Storage Heaters, and (b) off-peak hot water Immersion heating (which is “dumb”, i.e. not linked to the solar PV).
PV array is split East-West. Income is from Phase II 21p/kWh Feed-in-Tariff plus smart metered 3.2p/kWh Export Tariff.

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#5 Oct. 19, 2014 15:45:00

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The SSE charge came as part of a quote from them to switch electricity supplier.





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#6 Oct. 20, 2014 08:44:00

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I would report this with your written evidence to people like the Solar Trade Association and the British Photovoltaic Association, Duncan. They should be mighty concerned at something like this.
Let us all know how it goes.










Economy 10 tariff provides 6.9p/kWh off-peak import between 12am-5am, 1pm-4pm and 8pm-10pm; http://www.pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=21047&sid=18934&v=2&t=m on approx. 63% off-peak usage, 22% solar usage, and 15% peak-rate usage.
1,900kWh annually is exported, mostly in summer, on approx. 3,200kWh generation. Approx. 4,500kWh/year is imported, mostly for (a) winter and springtime off-peak Storage Heaters, and (b) off-peak hot water Immersion heating (which is “dumb”, i.e. not linked to the solar PV).
PV array is split East-West. Income is from Phase II 21p/kWh Feed-in-Tariff plus smart metered 3.2p/kWh Export Tariff.

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#7 Oct. 23, 2014 13:17:00

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I've changed my energy supplier twice now since having the solar panels, I kept my FIT payments with my original provider and no-one has complained.  If it ain't broke….!


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3.92KWp 12x 327W E20 SunPower panels Sunnyboy 4000 inverter, facing ~south, no shading issues. Location: Sussex, URN 131 http://pvoutput.org/intraday.jsp?id=12216sid=10156







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URN 131, 3.92KWp 12x 327W E20 SunPower panels Sunnyboy 4000 inverter, facing ~south, no shading issues. Location: Sussex, http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?userid=12216

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#8 Oct. 31, 2014 22:16:00

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CooperativeEnergy don't charge for FiT handling. 





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#9 Nov. 1, 2014 16:29:00

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Charging for FIT handling is unusual and questionable. The spirit of the scheme is to encourage generation with well defined incentives and complicating payments with handling fees goes against this. Ofgem defines the role of Licensed Electricity Suppliers and their guidance (here) says nothing about charging customers for handling FIT. It would effectively create a differential between licensees on auditable payments where the full amount is intended to go to the generator.

Sometimes voluntary FIT licensees (who don't have to be electric suppliers) act as consultant or administer to say a rent-a-roof company or local council and make such charges (e.g. a sign-up fee of £75 plus VAT is described here) but the average domestic installation doesn't need this. Generators typically start off FIT through their current import-supplier. Small suppliers not part of the scheme, should refer enquirers to Ofgem's list of licensees, who are not otherwise obliged to take anyone who is a current customer of another licensee  - but either way it is a completely separate contract to your import.

I've never given FIT a thought when changing import-supplier. The reasons to switch import-supplier become obvious, but do not apply to FIT, because your generation tariff is beyond the control of your supplier. Unless you are thoroughly dissatisfied with your FIT administration, switching FIT licensee only causes unnecessary paperwork for two licensees and yourself, so maybe the fee they quote to you is just the suppliers way of telling you this?





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#10 Nov. 3, 2014 11:31:00

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I entirely agree, and I'm not even with one of the ‘Big Six’.
To begin with, it's a form of unfair competition if one or more utility supplier(s) like SSE starts charging for FiT Administration and others aren't.


More importantly, I'd imagine that all of our suppliers would then start charging the rest of us too - all half-million of us domestic solar PVers. (Due to the significant cost overheads to them of FiT administration, surely our various suppliers would jump at the excuse to charge?) 


For the typical Solar installation (i.e. of the last 2 years with the modest-only FiT rates), a charge of £175/year equals £3500 over 20 years. For most it would make it difficult to achieve projected ‘payback’ even over the full 20 years.


Hence why I suggested that Duncan reports SSEs action to someone like the Solar Trade Association, the British Photovoltaic Association (or Solar Power Portal) who could complain on behalf of all of us.


Any of these organisations would very likely be appalled at any such attempt at FiT charging, as it would potentially threaten the whole domestic PV market just as surely as the solar-farm market is now being threatened by the complete withdrawal of their gauranteed prices for generation.










Economy 10 tariff provides 6.9p/kWh off-peak import between 12am-5am, 1pm-4pm and 8pm-10pm; http://www.pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=21047&sid=18934&v=2&t=m on approx. 63% off-peak usage, 22% solar usage, and 15% peak-rate usage.
1,900kWh annually is exported, mostly in summer, on approx. 3,200kWh generation. Approx. 4,500kWh/year is imported, mostly for (a) winter and springtime off-peak Storage Heaters, and (b) off-peak hot water Immersion heating (which is “dumb”, i.e. not linked to the solar PV).
PV array is split East-West. Income is from Phase II 21p/kWh Feed-in-Tariff plus smart metered 3.2p/kWh Export Tariff.

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