#1 July 23, 2015 12:36:23

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Late Data Submission?

Being on holiday from 30 June to 17 July I missed submitting my monthly reading. Is the data collection & analysis updated again in the second half of the month?

If the data collection/analysis is left until the following month does it pick up missing data from the previous month(s)?

This must be a common occurrence. I like to have my readings accurate rather than have an estimate from a premature submission.

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Steve

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#2 Jan. 19, 2016 09:52:33

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Bumping this thread: I submitted late over the Xmas holidays. My data is not showing up on the maps yet - at what intervals do you re-run the analysis?
Further to this: would it be OK to submit quarterly instead of monthly? Thanks, Bart

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#3 Jan. 22, 2016 20:07:50

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Yes, when we're only nowadays getting quarterly reports, what's the point in submitting readings any more often? I asked about this long ago last year and, without an answer, haven't submitted anything else since.
(The uploader doesn't seem to be accepting my data anyway now though!)



Economy 10 tariff provides 6.9p/kWh off-peak import between 12am-5am, 1pm-4pm and 8pm-10pm; http://www.pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=21047&sid=18934&v=2&t=m on approx. 63% off-peak usage, 22% solar usage, and 15% peak-rate usage.
1,900kWh annually is exported, mostly in summer, on approx. 3,200kWh generation. Approx. 4,500kWh/year is imported, mostly for (a) winter and springtime off-peak Storage Heaters, and (b) off-peak hot water Immersion heating (which is “dumb”, i.e. not linked to the solar PV).
PV array is split East-West. Income is from Phase II 21p/kWh Feed-in-Tariff plus smart metered 3.2p/kWh Export Tariff.

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#4 Jan. 24, 2016 10:04:14

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Agreed rogerhoward, it has taken a lot of fun out of the proceedings. I wonder how many extra man hours it really would take to do the extra 2 operations in the 3 month period?



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#5 Jan. 24, 2016 18:36:43

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I made the same sort of comments on the reports page. The last report currently visible was the quarterly ending September. That's not a lot of good for a quick review of the health of a user's system. Plus the maps are not helpful as there are often unbelievable readings which bias the colour coding. All these comments have been made on multiple occasions over the past couple of years.

Anyone who isn't signed up to the pvoutput website should consider doing so. There you can check your system against others nearby on a near live basis (or daily, weekly, monthly and annually) if you are prepared to install the free software to upload your readings every 10 minutes.

Steve
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#6 Feb. 17, 2016 17:26:13

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Hi everyone,

Sorry I only just caught up with this thread. I'm aware some posts are quite old, but i'll respond anyway for the benefit of any other users stumbling upon this thread…

rogerhoward
we're only nowadays getting quarterly reports, what's the point in submitting readings any more often?
The results on the website are all still calculated monthly, so you can still make use of the website tools without having to wait for the quarterly Spreadsheet reports.

bhommels
My data is not showing up on the maps yet - at what intervals do you re-run the analysis?
Further to this: would it be OK to submit quarterly instead of monthly?
We still run the analysis monthly as soon as new data is released by Met Office. I also just added a new feature to enable user's to request their results be updated, see the Message at the top of the My PV tab (also attached). I haven't publicised this much yet as it's still quite experimental, but by all means please use it (and report any issues).

Steve Rogers
If the data collection/analysis is left until the following month does it pick up missing data from the previous month(s)?
The reports are always run for at least 12 months of historic data every time, so any late/missed readings that arrive after the initial run will be picked up by the next run. Or you can now request the report using the feature mentioned above, which will update the last 13 months of results. If you edit any array details or edit/add readings older than 13 months, you'll need to email us and we'll run a full historic report.

Capetown
I wonder how many extra man hours it really would take to do the extra 2 operations in the 3 month period?
More than we have to spare

Steve Rogers
That's not a lot of good for a quick review of the health of a user's system. Plus the maps are not helpful as there are often unbelievable readings which bias the colour coding.
We're gradually implementing all of the functionality of the Excel report as website features, which will be up-to-date by definition since they can access the latest analysis results directly from the database. The ‘compare against neighbours’ feature (http://www.microgen-database.org.uk/reports/2015/03/24/new-website-feature/, http://www.microgen-database.org.uk/reports/2015/04/14/solar-performance-checker-feedback/) is a prime example of this. Today I opened it up to users with multi-array systems so hopefully users will treat that as their first port of call with regards to up-to-date monitoring needs. Of course it's still only as up-to-date as the Met Office data (not very), so it's not ideal. Given that the nearest neighbour tool works just as well (probably better) with Generation per kWp (which doesn't rely on Met data), i'll try and modify the report scripts such that if the Met Office data isn't available yet the Gen per kWp results are still calculated. This way you can add readings and request the report to be run and then see up-to-date nearest neighbour comparisons via the Nearest Neighbours feature.

Hope this helps. I'm subscribed to this thread now so feel free to reply here with any questions…

Jamie



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#7 Feb. 21, 2016 08:56:45

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I agree, Steve. It's only on PVOutput that you can demonstrate something useful to someone.
It's our Microgen data donors Forum that's a goldmine of useful info.



Economy 10 tariff provides 6.9p/kWh off-peak import between 12am-5am, 1pm-4pm and 8pm-10pm; http://www.pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=21047&sid=18934&v=2&t=m on approx. 63% off-peak usage, 22% solar usage, and 15% peak-rate usage.
1,900kWh annually is exported, mostly in summer, on approx. 3,200kWh generation. Approx. 4,500kWh/year is imported, mostly for (a) winter and springtime off-peak Storage Heaters, and (b) off-peak hot water Immersion heating (which is “dumb”, i.e. not linked to the solar PV).
PV array is split East-West. Income is from Phase II 21p/kWh Feed-in-Tariff plus smart metered 3.2p/kWh Export Tariff.

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#8 March 2, 2016 23:43:30

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Jamie
Given that the nearest neighbour tool works just as well (probably better) with Generation per kWp (which doesn't rely on Met data), i'll try and modify the report scripts such that if the Met Office data isn't available yet the Gen per kWp results are still calculated. This way you can add readings and request the report to be run and then see up-to-date nearest neighbour comparisons via the Nearest Neighbours feature.
FYI, this is now implemented. As soon as your readings are validated you can use the new ‘Analyse my systems’ button to update your generation per kWp results and make use of the nearest neighbour tools.
A lot of the data validation is now done by a computer, so i'll look to automate it and make it as instantaneous as possible in order to further streamline the process.

Jamie



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#9 July 9, 2016 13:41:54

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Hi Jamie,
Has this automatic validation been implemented yet? I have submitted my quarterly data a bit late (again), and now it got stuck in an unvalidated state for the last few days, meaning it will not be taken into account if I click the “analyse my system” button.
Regards, bart

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#10 Jan. 11, 2017 09:24:16

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Hi Jamie,
Hitting the “analyze my system” button still does not what it suggests. My request has been sitting in 2nd place in the queue for the last 3 days. The re-analysis timer counts down from 10mins to 0 after which it starts back at 10 mins without anything else happening (?)

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